lowering the social stigma of gender nonconformity also lowers the threshold of how bad people have to be suffering before they’re willing to discuss their feelings openly. I guarantee you that a TON of humans who felt vaguely alienated by/uncomfortable with their assigned gender have lived and died within a cisgender identity framework, because the enormous social cost of being honest just wasn’t worth it if they weren’t miserable. that was a bad thing!
letting people weigh their options for themselves without putting a thumb on the scale is freeing. so of course we’ve started hearing people discuss wildly unusual ways of experiencing gender. it does not matter whether the teenagers who made up the goofy-sounding new gender term you’re annoyed about end up being capital-T trans or not. it just matters that they feel safe talking about it, because everyone benefits from that. you cannot lower one threshold without lowering the other. this is a feature, not a bug. this is a good thing!
I would 100% be okay with waiting a few more years for the movie to come out if it meant the artists weren’t overworked.
Heck, if abusing workers was the only way for this movie to come out (and it’s definitely not, don’t buy into that lie) I would rather it never came out at all. No piece of art, not even one as great as ATSV, is worth the abuse.
Btw you can be intensely critical of the Democratic party and recognize that it is full of aged out of touch moderates who are refusing to meet the urgency of the moment,
and also recognize that voting for Democrats is extremely important because it allows things like the confirmation of Justices and prevents the literal fascist party from gaining more power and that harm reduction is an important end in itself
These things can coexist
Politics is a long game. Being disappointed and angry today does not obviate your responsibility to participate
If you people start giving Hobie Brown the Eddie Munson effect I’m going to start killing. His ass would not be listening to arctic monkeys be so fr
i like never do this & im sorry to hijack yr post (especially seeing as you are a person i do not know!!) but another thing im seeing on these playlists is an absolutely abysmal amount of black artists. spider-punk is and has always been a black character, and black people are frequently pushed out of alternative and subcultural spaces, so i’m going to offer some black punk artists i personally enjoy for i guess playlist consideration aimed towards some of the ppl in the notes, although this isn’t definitive & hobie’s taste will of course not necessarily be my own.
also to note before we get into this is that punk is a culture of resistance. hobie in specific (though i don’t know how much of this will be part of his characterization in the spiderverse trilogy going forward—he’s pretty different in atsv, which isn’t a bad thing) has been depicted in the comics as a homeless teenager living under a fascist government. regardless of whether or not that depiction is accurate for this version of hobie is irrelevant for now; the point i’m making is that his attachment to punk is not purely aesthetic in nature. i think keeping the radical aspects of punk in general and of spider-punk in specific in mind are important when discussing the character.
anyway.
death (this one is kind of essential in terms of punk history. they started recording songs under the band name death in 1971 and disbanded in 1977, but their music was only relatively recently properly released. they’ve been occasionally cited as the first punk band ever.)
pure hell (another early & extremely influential punk group, this one from 1974. in contrast with the isolation death operated within, pure hell were heavily involved in the early punk scene.)
bad brains (originally an american jazz group who became punk with a reggae fusion. they cite pure hell as an early influence, which is pretty cool.)
x-ray spex (70s english punk band fronted by poly styrene, whose vocals greatly influenced the later riot grrrl movement. notable for lyrical attacks on commercialism and corporate artifice.)
zulu (i fucking love zulu so much guys you should all listen to zulu right now. they’re frequently described as powerviolence, which is accurate, but they also incorporate elements from various historically black genres, like funk, jazz, & soul. you can listen to one zulu album and get a ton of different musical experiences it rules.)
bob vylan (london-based punk rap duo. to me they’re like the ideal of what punk set out to be in the first place, ideologically speaking. i don’t even know what else to say here. if you’re interested in modern punk and aren’t listening to bob vylan you should be. they’re insanely skilled and deserve to be the center of the conversation.)
this post has gone on long enough you get the gist. & if you actually feel inspired enough to want to make a 100% accurate spider-punk playlist, get into your local scene and see what’s playing there. it’s what he would want, probably.
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